Probably not even realizing why we felt they were better (maybe a friend mentioned them No, their name was on that pen you used for 1 year!). The AAM commentary sometimes reinforces some bad ideas that are not really norms, avoiding talking to your coworkers seems to be one of them. She never bought a pen or a thing of hand sanitiser or even a coffee mug, nowadays, she never really gets anything at all. They left the company and emailed our team their private Facebook name for post-work connections I can see it in the arts, because if you google an artist, you might find neat examples of their work and stuff. The best policy is to keep your mouth shut. Im in a little rural spot on the map about an hour away and there is no such thing as delivery out here. Honestly, the only times Ive ever felt bummed by it have been the rare times that its been a big thank you thing that they kept secret and, had I known, I would have come in for. The industry limit for the client is $50 per person per year and so thats our limit too (because we dont want clients to get in trouble.) (Im in a marketing-related field, so I go to check out their brochures and sales pitches to see what I can learn and get a free lunch.). And I think that this is one of those situations where why youre looking is important. Like if I found out they had a restraining order against them or multiple arrests or something. So they worked (and billed for services) for *months* under a revoked license, until an entry-level staff member snooped and uncovered the truth. And extremely dense and unreadable is no kind of justification. Not a stalking a resume to avoid talking to someone situation. Yes, that bit sounded strange to me too. Even better, you can encourage reactive helping by communicating to colleagues that you're willing to help if needed, increasing the likelihood that they will ask for help directly. But they all seem to be doing cool stuff so I get a little reflected glory (an architect, a model, a surgeon). Many commenters here clearly dont know what the early days of the internet looked like. what is your opinion on the analysis of kartilya ng katipunan If you google Jellybean Uniqueforeignname, youll see someone with an identical name who was part of a public police investigation. by | Jun 29, 2022 | rimango o resto a disposizione | sheraton grand seattle parking fee | Jun 29, 2022 | rimango o resto a disposizione | sheraton grand seattle parking fee A gift certificate to services like Postmates or UberEats will often cover a much larger area.. (Well, I am sometimes tempted to see if any of them regularly post pictures of their dogs on public social media pages, because some of them have pretty awesome dogs. one day she made a comment alluding to something I tweeted (a photo of a sandwich, or something otherwise banal). me either. So while I probably wouldnt google a coworker, I wouldnt write it off completely for interns or employees if there are other reasons to be concerned about what may be coming up online that may impact the organization. @Librarian of SHIELD, I very much agree about the line, and how nebulous it is. I have Googled several of my coworkers, but even if I accidentally found out a coworkers address it would never cross my mind to actually drive by their house. A lot of this stuff people do put out there themselves. Im not looking for anything personal, and dont search deeply enough to find blog posts or social media (I dont even have an account on Facebook, so that limits what I might see there!). She wouldnt listen to me, I think because she was afraid of looking weak, and made terrible decisions because I couldnt get through to her about the impact her bad decisions would have. Yes its all out there and very easy to discover but why? Without ever mentioning it to anyone who knows them, and might know someone who knows them? Fortunately hiring manager followed up to make sure it was accurate turns out HR misspelled candidates name [insert eyeroll emoji here]. I think its functionally little different than asking your neighbor if they know anything about the new people moving in across the street. It works! Sorry if it came across as looking up coworkers personal lives, I mean this more in a professional lookup capacity. Its certainly a lot easier to pull up public records these days, but most peoples old internet posts are probably not going to show up on a ten minute casual googling. (Select all that apply) A colleague shares the name of the medication another colleague is taking. CW sexual assault, and hopefully not too off topic. I think its kind of like gossip. So I agree this is a legit question. Valued people work better. We had to go over his head and finally it got shifted again to the business manager, who admitted straight out he didnt understand our work but since it was his job to support it, he was supportive. Maybe a 15-year-old article about placing in a high school track meet. I fully understand why someone higher on the list of alt-right targets (LGBT, nonwhite, etc) would want to know before they ended up alone in the office with someone holding those views. I am in a role supervising a team of multimedia instructional designers. Nonetheless, the consequences of our actions have a greater impact than it used to, and its not a bad idea to keep that firmly in mind. OP2: Layoffs suck, Im sorry you had to go through that. Im guessing I work for the same company. And When you install this update, it will send alerts to everyone in your contacts about what song youre listening to and webpage youre looking at RIGHT NOW! Omigod turn that off. But you people said you wanted to use the web to connect.. I dont like it, but I also dont get to control that. An update automatically sending connections for me to everyone everywhere with the slightest, most tenuous connection how many times removed, is a whole different thing and its not just creepy. All the way from 19th century (and earlier) formal letters of introduction to Im doing that with Fergus Smith from ACME, can you take care of the paperwork. I understand that people in the office get perks, but my perk is choosing where I work. This is still not a great analogy because someone wearing a cow costume under their clothes is certainly more out of place than the mundane info that is available on the internet about people/coworkers. Years later, I google myself and discover that some enterprising person had typed up that information and added it to their online membership list, which was something I did not know even existed. Just because its publicly available, doesnt mean its fair game IMO. (I cant get a beloved pizza place 2 miles from my house to deliver to me because their delivery area ends at the end of my block and they wont even meet me at the corner.). There was one time where my personal twitter (that I honestly forgot I had, I never used it) got hacked and for about a week was doing nothing but streaming porn links. Nope. AAMs script would also be helpful during a time like this. I think it definitely depends on the salary of the employee in question, and also Id suggest that gift cards or something of the sort are preferable to reimbursement for meals, because for me, the cost of a $10 takeout order is DEFINITELY not worth the hassle of putting in an expense report. However I would never confront the person that information I found. I dont think that I myself have ever done anything more than check someones LinkedIn page, but a quick little superficial Google search doesnt sound out of line to me. The person who assembled the team and hired me to manage them left, and dumped the team and me on a manager who is a director. Well, you can say, Ive found the last few management courses fairly remedial and not a great use of time, but Id be interested in courses on X or Y if thats ever an option. (That way you still sound open to training and not like you think you have nothing to learn. What youre saying is the equivalent of saying theyre in the phone book, of course I looked up where they live 20 years ago, or if you didnt want me to look through your phone, you should put a stronger passcode on it or of course I went through my wallet, its your fault for leaving it on your desk. Sometimes I have seen a coworker, friend, acquaintance a the market and told someone else guess who I saw at the market today John Smith. As an example, weve got companies harvesting arrest data and putting it online to extort the people shown. This can happen when the manager is at director level and their direct report is managing a function that the director has no direct experience of. This is like saying if you left your car unlocked, its your fault it was stolen. (Or the far worse victim shaming that happens. Other people dont have anything remarkable. In the case that immediately comes to mind, I did social media searches when I was hiring interns to get more context on them. The issue is that theres a lot of information out there that people never posted online, but still shows up in a Google search anyway. Its a request for advice about where the line is between looking at easily-available info on a coworker, and creeping. I mean, anyone could make a blog post and say whatever, but the accusations were pretty shocking and I cant imagine being comfortable moving forward with a candidate after that. I dont think its true that lack of interest in other peoples personal lives, personal habits, or personal history indicates unsuitability for research or investigative careers. My perspective might be skewed because I work in a field where you Google everyone and everything: clients, potential clients, opposing parties, collaborators from other companies etc. Hopefully, if biases ended up coming into play theyd be noticed and discredited. Things that were in private groups were put out in public by Google. I think LW3 May need to reframe some of this relationship instead of basing everything off the attitude that everyone is clueless and treating them like new managers. Our workplace has remote sites, about 50 people in one location, and 30 spread out in small teams in different cities. Social media is not privacy. Coworker: "one who works with another : a fellow worker". She likely thought she was helping, but she really overstepped. In our work environment its ok to ask about previous experience (but not go into too much detail) but asking about someones education would be considered odd. Any need for explanation shows some sort of weakness. Or went through your cart while your back was turned. Thats why they chose anonymizing handles and made efforts to not post identifying information. But also, Im not sure what I would do with that information if I did find something about them except maybe be cautious. Ive had a manager who lacked the technical background to understand my work, and lacked the self-confidence to admit when she didnt know something. Those who have been doing the job for years dont map a route, they see an address and drive to it. Having the wrong opinions about the wrong coworker might result in rather significant harassment and abuse. Wrong answer. Its another thing to take a look at things they purposefully make public about themselves on a popular social media site. Plenty of people are interested in exploring the question on where the lines are on this stuff without being motivated by a desire to do it themselves, simply because its an interesting question. You gave that permission. I remember how shocked we all were that Facebook was suggesting you put not only your real name and the college you went to, but even your face on the internet. Me either. Because Im a pragmatist when it comes to things like safety, and as my husbands driving instructor said about defensive driving If you wind up in the hospital, its not going to matter if you were right or not. It doesnt make it ok to run red lights, or to assault someone because its a dark nigh etc. Be very careful in looking a social media in hiring, because you might unintentionally learn things that should not be taken into account in hiring, and that could be risky for the entity. Because they looked something up that is publicly available? It was a horrible setup for so many reasons and my de facto supervisor was a misogynist with control issues. Yeah, I think going forwards, the question is going to need to be reframed in terms of why does this past information about someone matter? Not in terms of what you can dig up, but in terms of whether it actually matters to your work and your beliefs today. A gift certificate to services like Postmates or UberEats will often cover a much larger area. If you can see the truth of that in the people at the table next to you in a restaurant, then you can see the truth of that online as well. Its seriously been a game changer like that! I knew of someone where their prior immigration status (think F-1 to OPT) was disclosed by a prev. And when they give out swag (and his company does awesome swag really nice blankets, those amazing steel water bottles that keep stuff cold all day, nice bluetooth headphones and stuff) they mail the swag out to the home gang. Thats not a typical situation. It just is. Theres a difference. To me, its a lot more like someone is wearing a cow costume underneath their loose fit regular clothes so that you can see it poking out a little around the neckline. Im being sent to management training I dont need. Also they have always had a few stations set up if the at home team wants to come in for some big event, theyre willing to find em seats and all. Thats why your opinion is unpopular. But digging into my personal life, especially via a background check? probably not!). Ive Googled people. People who could put the pieces together might identify us but it would be super invasive and dangerous (I know at least one person who was kicked out by their parents because someone online outed them). Im not saying Ive never googled anyone before, and I dont think its an invasion of privacy if you do. Fortunately for everyone involved, his online presence revolved around visual math puzzles so that went far less awkwardly than it had any right to. #1: I think the golden ruledo unto others as you would have them do unto youapplies here. So not only am I at the mercy of those other departments when it comes time to review my work, but I get zero credit for or acknowledgment of all of the important things I actually do. Can they be invited to come in the office when there is a party? I thought you meant personally! How can I be fair to remote team members when I bring in pizza for my on-site staff? You are equating two things that are vastly different from each other. They tell me everything they want me to know about them. This has now trickled down into her minion (my new manager) getting progressively aggressive and toxic with me in private meetings. If the internet only existed for those two things it would be worth it. You are LITERALLY cultivating an online collection of data about yourself! My LinkedIn profile is a boring resume with history, not a snapshot of where I am in the moment. It would be worth asking the remote employees if they feel shortchanged because they dont occasionally get to enjoy free food or if they feel the benefits of working from home outweigh getting a slice of pizza or a free cup of coffee every now and then. is it unprofessional to have hickeys at work? I dont feel like thats being nosy if anything, if Id done that hed probably have asked me why I hadnt researched him before taking the job. But if you tell your coworkers I googled you in case youre a sex offender. What was that like?, Or I ran across your blog, and I loved your story about the frog., And of course, it would be sort of rude to say I ran across your storya bout the frog, and I thought you were a jerk.. Do you punish people for not being fortune tellers? Because of Evil Bees deep insecurity and complete misunderstanding of the platform, she assumed I was referring to her. I have looked at LinkedIn profiles of some co-workers and people who are interviewing me for jobs. They might have their own ideas of how you can make them feel appreciated. I work from home (not by choice, theres just no room for us) and while I love some perks of it (save on gas, can wake up later, take a nap in bed during lunch, etc.) Its not necessarily that strange. There are levels of publicly broadcast, though. That doesnt mean Id be happy if you called me up. colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs. And benevolent acquaintances do not do that kind of intensive search, so if you are doing it, I have to assume that you have some malicious interest in doing so. I networked and rustled up clients, we successfully developed over 60 different training solutions each of those years, our clients rave about us but my great manager(s) just have no clue, no matter what proof I put in front of them. And deliberately trying to learn that stuff is creepy, but way worse if I talk to them about it. My coworker is one of those people who always googles new hires and he used to tell me stuff and I was like, Im good, dont tell me stuff. Why would a hiring mgr want a new employee to be underpaid? Its something that used to be very common but is now less-so. I just assume people with snoopy curiosity do it on me. Those are typically compiled only from publicly available records the ones that go beyond public records typically requite you to have obtained consent and a social security number from the person youre looking up. However if you want to know my background and ask me about my research I am very happy to tell you all about it. I have a common name. She didnt see herself as an ineffective manager, but that it was everyone elses issue. It still angers me irrationally because of how over the top it is. Maybe its not the right or nice thing to do, but, well, the internet is there, human curiosity knows no bounds, and rabbit-holing is a thing. In some industries, sure. It meets the legitimate work concern test. how do I avoid mom energy with my younger employees? should I wear my wedding ring to an interview, client demands unlimited time, and more. I just think its more likely that shadow profile is a conceptual term rather than describing something that actually exists. Or maybe Ill go to a tradeshow, collect all the swag I can get my hands on, and submit individual disclosures on each item. Not continuously (like, Im not going to be looking you up on LinkedIn when weve worked together for a while), but at the start, absolutely. If you search for my name plus my field, youll get my profile on my employers website, and my LinkedIn and thats about it. You actually had to know UNIX to get to things. Look, we live in a precarious time. Enough information so that you know where theyll be every Tuesday at 7 is over the line. Yeah, thats real. Same thing as a society we determined that the sale of land, the lot lines of property, how much taxes people pay, should all be public info. That info was never in the phone book, but its easily available now, and it definitely affects how people think about and respond to others. But the phone book example is a good one. I feel like this approach is sort of trying to logic people into not being uncomfortable, and thats just not really how human interaction works. Its time for you to educate yourself. But if a coworker did that and you came across it ten years later, it is pretty basic common sense to realise that while you certainly *could* read through all their posts and learn a lot of personal information that they chose to put online, they probably would be embarrassed and a little weirded out if you actually did it and definitely would be if you brought it up at work. Oh I am learning how this works, here my above response was to the first comment on #3 about it being time to move on as they are pushing me out. Wow. But it would never occur to me to feel like Im missing out on pizza. It sounds like youre assuming that everything on the internet is published with consent and its not. I thought, Oh, what cool community thing did Boss Lady ended up in the paper for? and clicked. A coworker works in the same organization . I dont use social media, and I already feel sufficiently informed about my co-workers general life goings-on, so I would probably only be interested in tracking them down online if we had a shared hobby or something and I wanted to check our their online presence related to that hobby. So if you google my name and my profession, you will get info about that other person. Youre guessing what a single person would like, rather than what most people in a group of 20 would appreciate. Agreed. Some of its fairly innocuous (hey, did you hear so and so plays ball and has kids? Internet wise, and real life too, I am snoopy and nosy. That attitude of everything on social media being fair game is horrendous. If you were previously unaware of this, thats on you. Also, the sorts of creepiness that you can do by stalking someone online are (broadly speaking) indirect and deferred; the sorts of creepiness you can do by being at someones house is direct, immediate and thus intrinsically always weirder. Or if you have multiple sites, give the other site equal money for their own event. Everything from changes in privacy settings, data leaks, people posting things about one, etc. I agree that stalking/cyberstalking is wrong, but that is on an entirely different level then googling your coworkers and checking out their social media. Trying to fix it has been absolutely more hassle than its worth. I teach digital literacy and media, a lot of people dont know that. There are common misunderstandings about what certain projects actually were whenever someone reads in it print that rarely happen through spoken conversations, because people see it through the lense of their history/experience (common problem for people who leave X industry but stay in tech). Luckily the manager focused on their achievements and what they put in the resume, but woof am I grateful I have my facebook on lockdown. Literally llama. I guess to me this is one of those situations where just because you can doesnt mean you should. I am in the midst of a job search after our company went through mass layoffs several months ago. Ive also found my cell number, even though I would never post that publicly either. :D. When I worked as a virtual assistant back in 2013, for Administrative Professionals Day we were all told to go out and buy ourselves lunch, submit the receipt (scan+email), and the company would e-transfer us $10. If you google someone and find something you want to act on VERIFY IT! Colleague: "an associate or coworker typically in a profession or in a civil or ecclesiastical office and often of similar rank or state : a fellow worker or professional". Probably in much more detail than you really care aboutLOL. Information on _______ features is not the only thing that scientists get from EOS data. If I happened to see them the day after said event I would ask them how it went, but if I didnt I might google the result. Im having a house built, and when I went down last week to check on the progress, my sales person was ushering some guy and his (huge!) Fourth, aggregators put information out on individuals that may or may not be correct. But the distinction here isnt about whats prudent to do for your own privacy Im talking about the other person in the scenario, the person doing the boundary-pushing, and how far they can go before its creepy. With #1, I can kinda understand the interviewer doing a quick google to see if theres anything unscrupulous popping up, but at OldJob, I had one (very young and socially energetic) coworker gleefully digging in deep about potential candidates and trying to gossip about it with our manager who was hiring. And while they may not be 100% truthful, observing their behavior and witnessing what theyre capable of on the job is going to provide a lot more information than looking them up on LinkedIn. I am 90% sure he was not doing it on purpose, he had just picked up the language like people say btw and lol in conversation now. I dont want to look at that and would hope decent people wouldnt say Thats fair game.. As another person who does not live or work in a protected state, I find this annoying. I used to work with Evil Bee, who often lamented she didnt understand twitter. If you didnt want me to see what you post, why did you post it? (Googling personal data for legitimate hiring purposes obviously falls under a different umbrella.). In this case, our OP didnt put it out there. But a lot of records that can turn up online arent the result of social media posting, or indeed posting anything at all. Id have no problem telling a co-worker what I saw on their linkedin page. I agree. The HR professional then dug deeper into what was going on and the history of my role, apologized profusely for the unproductive way my team was transitioned to this new Director, seemed appropriately appalled by my treatment, then left and never spoke to me again until the meeting where I was transitioned to a new layer of management. I work in higher ed, and have a staff of 25-30 part-time employees. Ive been burned by this habit as well because god forbid someone speak to another human and ask them questions. Right? Im not interested in their personal lives or private opinions anyway. At this point our remote staff are some of our longest tenured employees (they are employees who were hired when we had actual satellite offices in other states one of them has been with this org for over two decades) so the senior staff does try to find opportunities to make them feel included in main office recognition/fun when feasible. Learn about your colleague's idea or . I draw pretty strict lines about not doing that for people in general, and friends / coworkers / suppliers / clients in specific. I agree. Driving by someones house once, if they are in the area, is normal behavior.
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